Your Home Is Holding You Back Decluttering Tips for ADHD Brains and Busy Moms with Stacey Hutson

Dr. Christine Li [00:00:00]:
Welcome back to the Make Time for Success podcast. This is episode number 305.

Dr. Christine Li [00:00:05]:
I really love the episode I'm about to share with you because it's real. I'm interviewing a very real and authentic guest. Her name is Stacey Hutson, and Stacey gives us the gift of sharing her authentic experience with not only having ADHD, Not only being a mom and busy homemaker and career woman, but also her very real experience with overcoming the clutter phenomenon, the clutter trap, the clutter overwhelm. And we're going to hear lots of details and stories from Stacey today. Stacey is the host of the Next Phase podcast, a show for ADHD moms entering perimenopause who are looking for less information and more Peace. On her podcast, she gets back to basics and experiments with simpler ways to feel better, from cycle syncing and information detoxing to decluttering her home for the sake of her nervous system. She's a longtime podcaster, a former advertising copywriter, wellness chef, and food blogger. She really explores what happens when self-improvement strategies that got us through our 20s and 30s stop working in our 40s.

Dr. Christine Li [00:01:29]:
She is a lovely friend and bright human being, and she is going places you're gonna see very soon. Let's go listen to her story now.

Dr. Christine Li [00:01:46]:
Hi, I'm Dr. Christine Li, and I'm a psychologist and a procrastination coach. I've helped thousands of people move past procrastination and overwhelm so they could begin working to their potential. In this podcast, you're going to learn powerful strategies for getting your mind, body, and energy to work together so that you can focus on what's really important and accomplish the goals you want to achieve. When you start living within your full power, you're going to see how being productive can be easy and how you can create success on demand. Welcome to the Make Time for Success Podcast. Hi everyone.

Dr. Christine Li [00:02:31]:
Okay, for today's episode, I've decided with my special guest Stacey Hutson that we're just going to have fun. So Stacey is very fun, and I noticed recently that she was very avidly and passionately decluttering, so you know I had to ask her to come on my show. Stacey, welcome here and let us know how you've been doing.

Stacey Hutson [00:02:56]:
Thank you. I'm so glad to be here. It was a very welcome message. It was a little bit of a blast from the past too, because when you were on my podcast, it was my original podcast, which was the Mother Plus Podcast, and now I have a new one called The Next Phase. But it has been quite a journey because when I met you last, I I was in a very different place. I had just been diagnosed with ADHD. I was all over the place. And me and my co-host were trying to tackle ADHD from every angle.

Stacey Hutson [00:03:27]:
And we're like, we have to get a pro— the procrastination coach on our podcast. 'Cause how much do we all struggle with procrastination? That's like a huge element of ADHD. And now it's years later and it's almost like sometimes it takes some time. before things sink in. And I turned 40, I will be turning 41 soon, and I think there's something about that age change, whether it's intentional or subconscious, but you feel the need to finally make some real shifts in your life, ones that maybe you've been trying to make for quite a while, but like you just weren't ready for them. You know, you can hear the same advice over and over and over again, But until you're ready to receive it, it doesn't matter.

Dr. Christine Li [00:04:20]:
Excellent point. And I would argue that maybe we're all potentially always on the verge of a big change. But sometimes the universe and aging and other things kind of come in and intensify that urge or desire or make it easier sometimes for us to take the next leap. So great, great, great. Happy birthday coming up. And let us know, let's say we'll start with the ADHD part, right? Where have you come on that journey? Because that's always a journey. And what have you learned? What have you let go of? What have you embraced? What has been going on?

Stacey Hutson [00:05:05]:
So back when I'd gotten diagnosed, it was really this kind of like truck that hit me realization of like, oh my gosh, this is why I've been like this my whole life. This is why I'm always scattered. This is why people called me Spacey Stacey. This is why I was always getting lost. This is why I was constantly missing appointments, dropping balls, being late to things, like all the things, right? And so at first it was really just kind of like sitting with it and being like, ADHD, huh?

Dr. Christine Li [00:05:34]:
Okay.

Stacey Hutson [00:05:35]:
And then because I had that podcast and I revealed my diagnosis on the show, I really wanted to start exploring it because I— we had such a big reception from our audience of like, oh my gosh, me too. So we started getting all these people on our show that were specialists in the neurodivergent space. We had a lot of therapists and psychologists and ADHD coaches and you, and it was so eye-opening and it just like allowed me to learn about it. But it was like the first step.

Dr. Christine Li [00:06:08]:
I wasn't ready to like do anything about it just yet, right?

Stacey Hutson [00:06:11]:
It was like all just like, okay, I get it, I get it. This is why this advice hasn't been working for me. And then I started my new podcast, The Next Phase, which is really more about entering midlife, perimenopause, and all the changes that come with it, how we feel like we are just attacked from every angle about all the things we should be doing. And I was like, ready to just lose my mind. And I wanted to simplify and talk less about all the modalities and the medications and the things we should take and more just like about how we can remove more from our life so that we can find the peace within, because that's really what we're all trying to do. And so within that journey, I had a woman named Dana K. White on the show. Are you familiar with her?

Dr. Christine Li [00:06:59]:
I am.

Stacey Hutson [00:06:59]:
Okay. So she's a pretty big deal in the decluttering space.

Dr. Christine Li [00:07:03]:
She is.

Stacey Hutson [00:07:03]:
And she's one of those people that deserves all the attention she gets because she has this way of speaking about it that made sense to me. And I think it's because, you know, she's never been diagnosed with ADHD, but her brain definitely thinks like my brain, right? She's very creative, all over the place, huge ideas. And what happened to her was that she started this blog years ago and She wasn't ready to start the blog until she could clean her house, was what she told herself. And then she decided to start this blog under this like pseudonym and figure out, like talk to everybody, talk through how she's decluttering the house. And it was called A Slob Comes Clean. And years and years later, now she has this big platform all about decluttering and she has these bestselling books. And I got her on my podcast and I asked her how she finally started doing it because that is the struggle for most people with ADHD. It's not the understanding how, but it's actually getting your body to do it.

Stacey Hutson [00:08:04]:
And what she found as she started cleaning was that she didn't want to declutter and clean her house so that she could have this beautiful clean house. It's what she thought she wanted. But what she realized was that in doing all the decluttering, Her house was finally not holding her back from doing all the things she wanted to do, right? She was like a theater major back in the day. Again, very creative, huge ideas. But when you live in a disaster of a home, like you can't get anything done. You're so stressed out all the time. And like the best way I can describe it is that every day feels like an emergency. Like I have 2 young kids.

Stacey Hutson [00:08:45]:
We're in a lot of activities, probably too many, but like every day is just like, oh my God, where's the leotard?

Dr. Christine Li [00:08:52]:
Oh my God, where's the soccer ball? Oh my God.

Stacey Hutson [00:08:54]:
Wait, it's like every day. It's like that when you don't know where your stuff is, when you have too much stuff, when everything is a disaster. And so it just like hit me so hard. I'm like, oh my gosh, that's why I want to declutter too. I want my house to stop holding me back from all of these things that I want to do. And so it was kind of like the switch in me that I needed to hear. And again, it's not like I hadn't heard before about decluttering and the importance of it, but Sometimes you just need to hear it from the right person at the right time. And it just got me going.

Stacey Hutson [00:09:29]:
It was like, whew. And what happened over the summer was that I was like, it's time. This is, this is when I'm going to get it done. Even though my kids are home, I don't care. I'm going to get it done. And what I found in the process of finally decluttering, again, my house is a disaster. Like I have stuff everywhere, like so much stuff. And what I found was that the hardest part was actually like going toward the thing and sitting in front of it and putting my hand on it.

Stacey Hutson [00:10:03]:
Like the most basic thing. Because once I did that, once I like put my body in front of the space, in front of the basket, in front of the closet, in front of the drawer, I was like, okay, I'm here.

Dr. Christine Li [00:10:17]:
Like I can do it.

Stacey Hutson [00:10:17]:
It's kind of like when you work out, And you, you don't want to work out, you're tired, but like, you're like, I'm just going to put my exercise outfit on and like, just like do like 5 minutes of abs or something, except for then you start and then you want to keep going. Like, and so that's what I found would happen is just like, really just like the physical sitting of your body in front of the space was what I needed for myself. And I could tell myself that I wasn't going to do any more than that. But of course, once I was there, I would do more. And then you pick up momentum and want to keep going. So I— this is 7 rooms and 3 spaces later. You know, I'm still not perfect. It's still not done.

Stacey Hutson [00:10:59]:
It'll never really be done, right? But it's happening.

Dr. Christine Li [00:11:02]:
Like, I'm doing it and it feels so good.

Dr. Christine Li [00:11:06]:
I'm so happy for you. I've been watching and this is such a great story and you capture so many important points. including the fact that we have to touch the clutter. It's the piece that everybody is afraid of, truly, because otherwise we wouldn't have the clutter. Things would be sorted, things would be organized, things would be gone. And the reason I'm going to insert that we are generally not is because we're careful with our nervous system. You know, we already know we are saddled with so many responsibilities and desires and obligations and parental things. And when you decide— you said in describing things, I don't care, right? Like, I, I'm, I'm going to do this, right? That's the commitment.

Dr. Christine Li [00:11:56]:
That's the energy forward. Then you could do 7 rooms and come back and be smiling and so proud of yourself. So, so proud of you.

Dr. Christine Li [00:12:03]:
Thank you.

Dr. Christine Li [00:12:04]:
This is terrific. And I want to ask now, what do you think is The benefits, like what are the immediate benefits and then what are the presumed projected future benefits?

Stacey Hutson [00:12:18]:
Oh my goodness. Okay. So in my ADHD journey, my first point, like my first thing to tackle was my nervous system, right? I was just like, I am just so fried all the time because I'm so on edge. I'm so scattered. I'm trying to do so many things at once. So it seemed natural to me to start with meditation. And I got really into some more of the, what I call, woo practices. So meditation, EFT, journaling, tarot cards, just reflecting back to the self, which is not a bad first move by any means.

Stacey Hutson [00:12:56]:
I think it was probably still the right one. But what I found was that I was getting up early every morning to go do this kind of self-reflection practice for like 20 minutes before my workout. And oftentimes when I was sitting there meditating, I was surrounded by clutter. Like I had laundry baskets and some laundry that had been folded on the couches, you know, toys all over the floor. And I'm sitting there. trying to relax and then wondering why it's such a struggle. And there was like this light bulb moment of like, oh my gosh, like you're trying to force relaxation in an environment where your body doesn't feel safe, you know? And so what I found was that when I started decluttering, and this didn't happen until like way later, right? This is a journey. When I started decluttering, I found that I was getting some of the benefits and more from what I was hoping to get from all of this self-reflection practice I was doing in the morning, I was getting almost immediately from just clearing the space.

Stacey Hutson [00:14:11]:
It was incredible. It was magical. And I feel like oftentimes people who struggle with anxiety and all these demons in their brain, they're always looking for this magic pill that you can take that just takes it away. And truly, there isn't one, right? But this was the closest thing I could find to it, where I was like, oh my gosh, like, if I clear the space, my body feels settled. Like, I, like, I can't describe it. It was bigger to me than meditation. And it's not like one or the other, right? I can still do both. But it was like, I cannot force myself to become one and like, you know, be all Zen when my environment is making me feel scared.

Stacey Hutson [00:15:01]:
You know, I have to do both. And in my opinion, if one has to come first, or if I only have time for one, it's actually the decluttering, not the meditating.

Dr. Christine Li [00:15:14]:
I love this.

Dr. Christine Li [00:15:15]:
I love this. And I really agree with like the immediacy of the return on your investment, right? We are investing our energy and we're trying to be really mindful of how we're doing that. And we're making choices throughout the day about how we're going to spend our time. And when you change your energy by decluttering, it feeds you right away. It feeds you back your energy because the clutter is sucking your energy away. So it makes sense. Right.

Stacey Hutson [00:15:46]:
Can I say one more thing about that? So also, again, as like a mom with kids and a really packed schedule, I found that the more I decluttered, the more I felt like in control of my day. And so I guess it just goes back to it really helped with my anxiety. Like, I have just an abundance of anxiety. I think I'm just born that way. But I've started to realize that I, I do have control over it if I don't let my day happen to me and I like, like take control of it before. It's, it's more of a proactive than a reactive approach. And like I said earlier about every day feeling like an emergency, like it felt like, oh my gosh, I don't have to live every day with this kind of like 5-alarm emergency going on in my heart. Like, it doesn't have to be this way, but I have to like be proactive.

Stacey Hutson [00:16:47]:
And part of that is decluttering. And it's incredible the domino effect that has on other things, right? Like even my schedule. And on the weekends, oftentimes I would continue that packed schedule right into the weekends. And I'm really trying to leave space on like a Sunday afternoon to pick up and declutter because the other thing that I was never doing was like giving space and time to do it, right? We say we want to do it. People enter your programs and listen to your show saying they want to do it, but they're not actually like making space for it in their calendar. And that's what I was doing. I was like, well, everybody else is so clean. Why can't I be so clean? And it's just like, well, because you're not making time for it, just like anything else.

Dr. Christine Li [00:17:32]:
Like, so.

Dr. Christine Li [00:17:32]:
Yeah, yeah. And we're also not able to predict the beautiful benefits on the other side of clutter, right? When we're sitting there, the clutter is actively draining us and making us feel really sad about everything. And then how are we supposed to envision all the good stuff, right? We see it, but we're not envisioning it for ourselves. And that's the work too, is really getting the expanded mindset, which you of course are reflecting So beautifully, and I'm so happy for you. This is great. And yeah, like you mentioned the anxiety benefits, and anytime there's an anxiety benefit, there's a mental clarity benefit because anxiety is just screwing with our mental clarity. We all have mental clarity.

Stacey Hutson [00:18:18]:
Right.

Dr. Christine Li [00:18:19]:
And we forget, we just let it kind of dribble away, and we're all innocents in this. Right? No matter how the anxiety comes in, heredity or environment or circumstances, but it's like we do have the power, like you so beautifully said, to say, I'm taking this stuff back. I'm taking back control of this system, not only my house, but my internal system, which is the big win. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it.

Dr. Christine Li [00:18:47]:
I love it.

Dr. Christine Li [00:18:48]:
So now, who has noticed all the changes?

Stacey Hutson [00:18:54]:
Well, every time I declutter a room or a space and my husband comes home, I'm like, I have to show you the room.

Dr. Christine Li [00:19:01]:
You have to see the room. Come see the room. It's so great. Look at the room. And I do the same for friends and family.

Stacey Hutson [00:19:07]:
Like, I'm so—

Dr. Christine Li [00:19:09]:
I feel like a little kid.

Stacey Hutson [00:19:10]:
I'm so proud of myself. And they know that this is something I've really struggled with most of my life. So it feels like this huge kind of transformation or shift in my body. And I feel like the people around me can sense it. My kids can sense it. Oh my gosh, the playroom. I am so proud of that playroom because the playroom is the scariest. Well, I say that about a lot of rooms in my house, but the playroom is pretty damn scary.

Stacey Hutson [00:19:38]:
And so to show my kids, here's the dedicated space for this and actually like have labels on things, which I like. For so long, I thought labels were for people like the Home Edit people. Like, I, for some reason in my head, that felt like next level. Like, I am never gonna be somebody who uses labels. Like, I bought a label maker like 2 or 3 years ago, never unwrapped it. I just wanted to be the person that maybe owned a label maker and one day would use it. I finally, like, when I, you know, once I started decluttering, Went on Amazon, found like easy clip-on labels that you can just write on with permanent marker. And I have just used them all over my house and they make me and my family so happy to like have a space for things.

Stacey Hutson [00:20:28]:
My husband also has ADHD. He was diagnosed like back in the '80s, so he's known for quite a while, but I feel like this shift in our house of like, okay, just like the stupidest example, right? So my mudroom or laundry, my mudroom slash laundry room was the first place I tackled because it was the entry point to our house. And I felt like it caused so much friction, so much stress because you couldn't find anything. And it was also physically where you would leave and enter, right? So it was like the energy of it just stressed you out. And what was going on in the cabinets in there was that I had stored all of this Art supplies from when my kids were younger, and it was the glue and the glitter and the paint, the stuff that I didn't want them to be able to reach. And that's why it was up there, because it was a high cabinet. Now they are 6 and the oldest one will be 9 next week. So they— we are past the stage of needing to hide the glitter and the paint.

Stacey Hutson [00:21:29]:
Like, if they— they're perfectly capable of taking the tablecloth out and using the paint, you know, responsibly now. But I hadn't shifted to, oh, we don't need these up here anymore. And meanwhile, there's so many other things that could have been in that laundry room that were useful to us. But every time you open the cabinet, like paint and glitter would fall on your head and popsicle sticks, because it was just, it was a disaster, right?

Dr. Christine Li [00:21:52]:
Uh-huh.

Stacey Hutson [00:21:52]:
So I finally tackled that room, cleared out all the art supplies, put it in the playroom with the label with the art supplies, craft supplies. And then I was able to make bins for like Batteries, flashlights, sunscreen. I cannot tell you how often in our house we're like, where's the sunscreen?

Dr. Christine Li [00:22:11]:
Where's the scissors?

Stacey Hutson [00:22:12]:
Where's the flashlight? Where's the tape? Because there's no dedicated space for it. There's like 4 different places it could be. And so one day in the summer, my husband and we were all gonna go on a bike ride and my husband's like, where's the sunscreen? I'm like, it's right here. Where's the sunscreen?

Dr. Christine Li [00:22:29]:
In the mudroom, right where we're gonna exit the house. And it was like, for me, I don't know if he cared that much, but man, I was just like, wow, this feels good.

Dr. Christine Li [00:22:39]:
And it's labeled.

Dr. Christine Li [00:22:40]:
I love it.

Dr. Christine Li [00:22:40]:
I love the label maker story.

Dr. Christine Li [00:22:42]:
Yeah.

Dr. Christine Li [00:22:43]:
And I love that your family is transforming with you. This is also what happens when we take action, when we touch things, when we say we're safe, we're not only safe, we're better off. Without all this chaos. And the chaos came in again innocently, but we're gonna very powerfully take care of it. So I'm so glad to see you smiling like this and see you so active on Instagram and in your business. And you've got lots of things brewing. Can you let us know how people can stick around in your universe, work with you, get to hear what you're doing, things like that?

Stacey Hutson [00:23:27]:
Yeah, absolutely. So again, my podcast is The Next Phase. You can get it on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and all the places you can get your podcast. I'm very active on Instagram and it's @stacehutson. That's S-T-A-C-E-H-U-T-S-O-N. I am basically using it as my diary through this decluttering journey, and it's all very honest.

Dr. Christine Li [00:23:51]:
It's not like I know what I'm doing yet.

Stacey Hutson [00:23:54]:
I'm figuring it out and come figure it out with me. And one thing that I found very powerful when I first discovered I had ADHD was something called body doubling, which is, if you're not familiar, it's, I am more likely to finish this task if somebody else is doing it alongside with me. And that can be virtually or in person, but we would hold these weekly body doubling sessions. on the Mother+ podcast where we would get the stuff done that we'd been putting off. And it was so beautiful and special. And you'd also connect with people and you could not do any talking and you would still get more stuff done. And so what I'm doing in this decluttering journey is I have recorded some of my decluttering experiences so that you can do it alongside with me. So something for your listeners if they struggle with the getting started more than anything else, and they just want somebody to do it next to them, quote unquote, next to them.

Stacey Hutson [00:24:55]:
I filmed myself decluttering one of my doom baskets, I call them, which is the laundry basket that you collect all the crap in, and then you feel better about the room being clean, but you haven't actually gone through the basket and put things where they're supposed to be. And there was this one doom basket that I had avoided for about 11 months. in my dining room, and I basically challenged myself to be like, huh, 11 months of stress and guilt in that basket. I wonder how long it would take if I just timed myself doing it. Like, how much time will it take to remove all of that stress versus the 11 months that it sat there? And I was able to do it in about 20 minutes.

Dr. Christine Li [00:25:39]:
Yeah. And so I filmed myself doing that.

Stacey Hutson [00:25:43]:
It's like Small first go, like declutter the basket that collected all the things and like, that's a good start. And once you start, the momentum picks up and you want to keep going. Like it's like this kind of, it's very satisfying, right?

Dr. Christine Li [00:25:57]:
You want more.

Stacey Hutson [00:25:59]:
I love it.

Dr. Christine Li [00:26:00]:
Okay.

Dr. Christine Li [00:26:00]:
So if you'd like to body double with Stacey via this beautiful video, I would love to share the link to get that free resource. MakeTimeForSuccessPodcast.com/space. Again, it's MakeTimeForSuccessPodcast.com/space. I want to reflect that what you said a couple minutes ago about how your Instagram is like your diary, I want to just say I love that because that's always kind of my intention, but I feel I'm very far from being that raw and honest on Instagram or anywhere else. And I feel like That is just what makes you so fun and so there for your audience and for your own life. And I just want to say keep going because I think it's beautiful.

Stacey Hutson [00:26:51]:
Thank you so much. I agree, it is hard to be like honest and real on Instagram. I think I've been doing this for quite a while and it's allowed me to kind of break that like spell of just like, whatever, these are just people. And when you get more comments from people and you see like that they get you and they're right there with you, you, you're just like, okay, I can be real with these people. There's gonna be mean people and that's okay. But like, ultimately I'm just trying to reach the people who struggle with the same things I struggle with and like not feel so alone.

Dr. Christine Li [00:27:22]:
And we're essentially just trying to get over ourselves.

Dr. Christine Li [00:27:25]:
Yes, absolutely.

Dr. Christine Li [00:27:28]:
The only barrier that we actually have is ourselves, which is the good news. It's good and a little Daunting, but it's good news.

Dr. Christine Li [00:27:35]:
Yeah, that's true. That's very true.

Dr. Christine Li [00:27:40]:
All right, all right. Last thoughts, last words for our audience. Maybe for the person who's like really pumped up now listening to what your experience has been, but also kind of like, okay, now what?

Stacey Hutson [00:27:56]:
So one thing I noticed is I'm, I'm an information seeker. Like, I was a really good student in school. Like, I've always said my dream job would be to be a lifelong student. And I think I've brought that into like my adulthood. And whenever I want to learn something, I like go all in on it. It's just like, okay, I'm gonna get like at least 3 books on the subject. I'm gonna listen to podcasts on the subject. I'm gonna follow gurus that are telling me how to do this thing.

Stacey Hutson [00:28:23]:
And I feel like I've done that for quite a while with decluttering. And at a certain point, it wasn't the learning that I needed to do. Like, learning more about how to declutter wasn't actually going to help me.

Dr. Christine Li [00:28:38]:
The only thing that was going to help me was doing it. So I had to like put that learning part of me aside. And I was just like, it's time for learning Stacey to sit over here and it's action Stacey.

Stacey Hutson [00:28:51]:
It's time, right?

Dr. Christine Li [00:28:52]:
We've done all the learning we can do.

Stacey Hutson [00:28:54]:
And so I think that helps for some people who are like me too. also a form of procrastination, right?

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:01]:
Just like, I'm just gonna learn as much as possible about it, but I'm not ready to do it yet.

Stacey Hutson [00:29:06]:
So, you know, you have to get to that next step of like, yeah, I've hit my learning limit.

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:13]:
I love it.

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:14]:
And you're ready. You're ready for action.

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:16]:
Yeah.

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:16]:
And that will set you up for more great action. It's true. Whatever Stacey says, believe her, because it's all true. It's all wonderful and there are bright skies ahead, truly, right? We are not— our journey is not about like we're going to go to the dark corners. No, we're basically opening up our spaces, we're opening up our hearts, we're opening up our energy, and then our families and our businesses and our creative pursuits are all going to follow us straightforward. So thank you. Thank you, Stacey. I'm so happy for you.

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:49]:
So happy you came back.

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:51]:
Thank you.

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:51]:
And just good luck with everything.

Stacey Hutson [00:29:54]:
Thank you.

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:55]:
Thank you so much. I will keep you updated.

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:58]:
Okay. I'm sure we'll stay in touch. All right, everybody, follow Stacey right away, and I will see you next week, probably for some more decluttering episodes on the Make Time for Success podcast. Take care.

Dr. Christine Li [00:30:11]:
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Dr. Christine Li [00:30:47]:
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